Comments on: Further Ruminations on Cigare: The Doon and Dirty http://www.beendoonsolong.com/2010/03/further-ruminations-on-cigare-the-doon-and-dirty/ A Randall Grahm Vinthology Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:06:15 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Old Jock http://www.beendoonsolong.com/2010/03/further-ruminations-on-cigare-the-doon-and-dirty/comment-page-1/#comment-1584 Old Jock Mon, 28 Jun 2010 17:05:26 +0000 http://www.beendoonsolong.com/?p=1100#comment-1584 Little late to the party here but... I have fond memories of a interesting Grenache (I think) bottling for Oddbins-UK circa 1988 entitled 'The Catalyst' - after the Santz Cruz drinking hole. Was a fruity, zesty, slightly garriguey, lovely wine. From what I remember the story went that it was a stray tank looking for a home & along came the game Oddbins buying team. Happy days. Also remember visiting you up at Bonny Doon as you held court with assorted salespeople while on my honeymoon in '92 - still got the Cigare poster somewhere. Little late to the party here but…
I have fond memories of a interesting Grenache (I think) bottling for Oddbins-UK circa 1988 entitled ‘The Catalyst’ – after the Santz Cruz drinking hole. Was a fruity, zesty, slightly garriguey, lovely wine. From what I remember the story went that it was a stray tank looking for a home & along came the game Oddbins buying team. Happy days. Also remember visiting you up at Bonny Doon as you held court with assorted salespeople while on my honeymoon in ‘92 – still got the Cigare poster somewhere.

]]> By: Randall Grahm http://www.beendoonsolong.com/2010/03/further-ruminations-on-cigare-the-doon-and-dirty/comment-page-1/#comment-1026 Randall Grahm Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:15:10 +0000 http://www.beendoonsolong.com/?p=1100#comment-1026 I'm very curious to hear how you do. There are a number of refinements in the technique to induce rooting in seeds, which of course I need to review before setting upon the seedling project in earnest. I’m very curious to hear how you do. There are a number of refinements in the technique to induce rooting in seeds, which of course I need to review before setting upon the seedling project in earnest.

]]> By: Randall Grahm http://www.beendoonsolong.com/2010/03/further-ruminations-on-cigare-the-doon-and-dirty/comment-page-1/#comment-1025 Randall Grahm Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:13:55 +0000 http://www.beendoonsolong.com/?p=1100#comment-1025 We have used Philippe in the past as a consultant, but not currently. So glad to hear that you are having success in capturing terroir in your wines. Love the descriptor "pleasingly offensive." My guess is that it is somehow linked to the presence of increased minerality or "life-force," (two sides of the same coin). In any event, that does tend to make the wine edgier, slightly "ruder," but enhances its ability to age and/or stay fresh longer upon opening. We have used Philippe in the past as a consultant, but not currently. So glad to hear that you are having success in capturing terroir in your wines. Love the descriptor “pleasingly offensive.” My guess is that it is somehow linked to the presence of increased minerality or “life-force,” (two sides of the same coin). In any event, that does tend to make the wine edgier, slightly “ruder,” but enhances its ability to age and/or stay fresh longer upon opening.

]]> By: Christophe Hedges http://www.beendoonsolong.com/2010/03/further-ruminations-on-cigare-the-doon-and-dirty/comment-page-1/#comment-991 Christophe Hedges Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:03:50 +0000 http://www.beendoonsolong.com/?p=1100#comment-991 Great blog posts, especially the post on 'Why Terroir Matters'. I thought you might be interested in the following links: http://www.nwpr.org/07/HomepageArticles/Article.aspx?n=6949 and http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/5776511 FYI, do you use Phillipe Armenier (BD guru) in CA? We use him here on Red Mountain. Over the last three years he has been instrumental in truly capturing terroir in ones wines. As I would say, "pleasingly offensive wines, with authenticity, Trade driven, less consumer driven." -Christophe Hedges Great blog posts, especially the post on ‘Why Terroir Matters’. I thought you might be interested in the following links:

http://www.nwpr.org/07/HomepageArticles/Article.aspx?n=6949

and

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/5776511

FYI, do you use Phillipe Armenier (BD guru) in CA? We use him here on Red Mountain. Over the last three years he has been instrumental in truly capturing terroir in ones wines. As I would say, “pleasingly offensive wines, with authenticity, Trade driven, less consumer driven.”

-Christophe Hedges

]]> By: Arthur http://www.beendoonsolong.com/2010/03/further-ruminations-on-cigare-the-doon-and-dirty/comment-page-1/#comment-828 Arthur Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:23:18 +0000 http://www.beendoonsolong.com/?p=1100#comment-828 Hi Randall. I'm curious if these seeds will do anything. It's been a week and no sign of cotyledons yet. But it's supposed to take at least 2 weeks... I'll keep you posted though... Hi Randall.

I’m curious if these seeds will do anything. It’s been a week and no sign of cotyledons yet. But it’s supposed to take at least 2 weeks…
I’ll keep you posted though…

]]> By: Randall Grahm http://www.beendoonsolong.com/2010/03/further-ruminations-on-cigare-the-doon-and-dirty/comment-page-1/#comment-813 Randall Grahm Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:20:58 +0000 http://www.beendoonsolong.com/?p=1100#comment-813 Thanks for very gracious offer of seeds, not quite sure what to do with them at this time. I am thinking to perhaps attempt a breeding/seed collection program more systematically when the smoke clears, systematically crossing a number of pinot noir clones and subvarieties. Don't know yet when I will have the time or resources to devote to the project, but this is on my bucket list. Thanks for very gracious offer of seeds, not quite sure what to do with them at this time. I am thinking to perhaps attempt a breeding/seed collection program more systematically when the smoke clears, systematically crossing a number of pinot noir clones and subvarieties. Don’t know yet when I will have the time or resources to devote to the project, but this is on my bucket list.

]]> By: Randall Grahm http://www.beendoonsolong.com/2010/03/further-ruminations-on-cigare-the-doon-and-dirty/comment-page-1/#comment-808 Randall Grahm Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:34:45 +0000 http://www.beendoonsolong.com/?p=1100#comment-808 Thank you, dear Viv, for your comments. I was a little bit sheepish about all of the language in this post - maybe in the realm of TMI, as the young people say these days. I am concerned sometimes that the words get ahead of the wines. But I am thoroughly resolved to try to bring that equilibrium into better balance - spending more time in vyds and less time hunched over a computer screen. It was such a great pleasure to get to know you in NY. Looking forward to a return visit. Thank you, dear Viv, for your comments. I was a little bit sheepish about all of the language in this post – maybe in the realm of TMI, as the young people say these days. I am concerned sometimes that the words get ahead of the wines. But I am thoroughly resolved to try to bring that equilibrium into better balance – spending more time in vyds and less time hunched over a computer screen. It was such a great pleasure to get to know you in NY. Looking forward to a return visit.

]]> By: Randall Grahm http://www.beendoonsolong.com/2010/03/further-ruminations-on-cigare-the-doon-and-dirty/comment-page-1/#comment-807 Randall Grahm Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:32:50 +0000 http://www.beendoonsolong.com/?p=1100#comment-807 Not sure how many alternatives there have been in total, but my guess is that there has been on the order of five or six. It is quite interesting to contemplate alternative dooniverses, and Cigare Alt X allows us to do that. Not sure how many alternatives there have been in total, but my guess is that there has been on the order of five or six. It is quite interesting to contemplate alternative dooniverses, and Cigare Alt X allows us to do that.

]]> By: winesooth.com » Blog Archive » Time http://www.beendoonsolong.com/2010/03/further-ruminations-on-cigare-the-doon-and-dirty/comment-page-1/#comment-792 winesooth.com » Blog Archive » Time Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:54:40 +0000 http://www.beendoonsolong.com/?p=1100#comment-792 [...] not sure what I will do with the Pinot Noir. It’s certainly not suited for my vineyard (Randall, if they grow, do you want them?). The Teroldego is another story. I hope these seeds grow. They [...] [...] not sure what I will do with the Pinot Noir. It’s certainly not suited for my vineyard (Randall, if they grow, do you want them?). The Teroldego is another story. I hope these seeds grow. They [...]

]]> By: Viviane Bauquet Farre / food & style http://www.beendoonsolong.com/2010/03/further-ruminations-on-cigare-the-doon-and-dirty/comment-page-1/#comment-781 Viviane Bauquet Farre / food & style Wed, 03 Mar 2010 23:01:59 +0000 http://www.beendoonsolong.com/?p=1100#comment-781 Dear Randall, Reading your "ruminations" is absolutely fascinating. I know very little about wine and even less about the wine making process but understand so much better your 25-year journey or "controlled folly" making Cigare. It seems to me that you have come full circle with Le Cigare and are entering the age of wisdom and deep, intimate knowing of the grapes and the wine you dream of making with them. Your "ruminations" will also make me taste your wines differently. They'll make me pause and pay closer attention while allowing the flavors to slowly emerge. I'll be coming back to your essay many times as I taste the Cigare vintages I have in my tiny cellar. Last but not least, your "ruminations" make me anticipate many more years of being delighted by your "Cigare dreams"... which in turn will give me a chance to dream up some new recipes. I can hardly wait for that! Thank you for your enormous generosity, which doesn't just shine in your wines, but in your words too. Dear Randall, Reading your “ruminations” is absolutely fascinating. I know very little about wine and even less about the wine making process but understand so much better your 25-year journey or “controlled folly” making Cigare. It seems to me that you have come full circle with Le Cigare and are entering the age of wisdom and deep, intimate knowing of the grapes and the wine you dream of making with them.

Your “ruminations” will also make me taste your wines differently. They’ll make me pause and pay closer attention while allowing the flavors to slowly emerge. I’ll be coming back to your essay many times as I taste the Cigare vintages I have in my tiny cellar.

Last but not least, your “ruminations” make me anticipate many more years of being delighted by your “Cigare dreams”… which in turn will give me a chance to dream up some new recipes. I can hardly wait for that!

Thank you for your enormous generosity, which doesn’t just shine in your wines, but in your words too.

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